2011 December Meeting Minutes


HNA Meeting Minutes

December 13, 2011


Board members in attendance:  Paul Anthony, Brian Murtagh, Susan O’Connor, Isa Dean, Will Villota, Dave Ketah, Mike Salmond.


Board members not in attendance:  Brooke Chilton-Timmons


I.          Announcements and Agenda Amendments

II.        Approval of Minutes [Need to verify minutes were approved, or resubmit for approval at the February meeting]

III.       North Portland Precinct – Steve Jacquot was not able to attend and therefore did not present an update.

IV.       In and Out Market – letter supporting the city pulling the liquor license

  • Paul has received appeals from various neighborhood constituents asking for support in efforts to get this liquor license pulled.  He’s drafted a letter to Marchetti at the Office of Neighborhood Involvement (Liquor Licensing Specialist) in support of the city’s challenge to the renewal of the liquor license.  Paul advises that there have been a number of eye-witnesses to the conduct that he describes in the letter, including security at PCC – also photos taken by some of those folks.  In and Out has consistently declined to participate in good neighbor agreement discussions.  He would like to send the letter, and send copies to most agencies, Jefferson, etc. throughout the city.  If unsuccessful the city could use the “time, place, manner” mechanism as a lever to try to change the types of alcohol sold there, etc.
  • Dave asked – What is it that changed at KC Market that caused the situation to improve?  The market was willing to put up signs indicating patrons were on camera – and the three businesses across the street actually put up cameras.
  • Discussion of license renewal process in general – businesses in one section of town come up for renewal in June, and in another section in December.
  • 8 board members voted in favor of sending the letter after some minor revisions – none were apposed.
  1. V.                Broader discussion of loitering, criminal activity, drinking on the sidewalks, etc. in the neighborhood
    1. VI.             Jefferson
    • Discussion of the need to get PCC to do something about the half-wall on the west side of Mississippi north of Killingsworth – people sit there all day long and there seem to be active drug deals at that location, and alcohol consumption.
    • Discussion as to whether we could address the issue with a good neighbor agreement? Per Paul, as discussed above, In and Out has refused to participate.  Maybe the Ethiopian market would consider such a thing?  Worth looking into.
    • Question from member:  Have we tried to reclaim spaces that are occupied by people who are engaging in inappropriate conduct (i.e., occupying the space and making it uncomfortable for them to be there doing things they shouldn’t be)?  Brian explained there have been some efforts with neighborhood watch and other ideas – but it requires a concerted effort and consistent participation by volunteers, etc. – it’s just difficult to sustain.
    • Is there a way to use our blog to allow folks to post updates on what they observe in the neighborhood.  Yes, per Will – but we’d need to have someone to reviewing those comments and post them.
  • Clifford indicated he had spoken with Jefferson reps. regarding the name challenge issue and he’d like to schedule a meeting to provide us with updates and for discussion of the topic.  Clifford would like to try to coordinate that and then communicate with those interested.  Paul confirmed we should proceed with that.
  • Also would be interesting to do a nomenclature study – i.e, who was Killingsworth, who was Humboldt, etc.  All thought that sounded like an interesting project.
  1. VII.          Traffic Circle at Haight and Emerson

Kimberly Jeka would like to see a traffic circle at Haight and Emerson to address traffic and safety issues.  City is generally reluctant – but Paul and she are working with the city to see if they can’t make some progress in that regard.  Crime Prevention rep. has come to look at it – and some neighbors and Bureau of Transportation and that rep. are going to meet to discuss again.

  1. VIII.       Tri-Met’s Youth Pass Program

A number of people expressed anxiety about Tri-Met’s youth pass program which was slated to end at the end of the year.  Paul worked with NECN to have the NECN board to send in a strong letter to Tri-Met and the mayor’s office, and so on – describing what a negative impact this would have on many students and others and objecting to the end date.  Mayor’s office announced they reached an agreement and have funded the program through June 2012.

IX.  Bylaws revision vote.

  • David asked whether there was anyone in attendance who had not had an opportunity to hear about the revisions or review them, or ask any questions about the changes.  No one indicated they had not or had questions.
  • A vote was had with respect to the revised bylaws.  The vote was 12 in favor of the bylaws revisions (all members in attendance who qualified to vote voted in favor – plus an absentee vote by Brooke Chilton-Timmons).  There were no objections from any member qualified to vote.

X.     PCC Cascade – Rebecca Ocken presented an update on the college’s build-out decisions to date.

  • From the bond revenue, there is about $40M available for direct construction at the Cascade campus.  They will be building a new student center behind the Paragon building on Killingsworth.  The new academic building will be behind the new student center.
  • The parking garage would have been a 5-level, four-story garage on Killingsworth – about a $12M parking garage.  But as they got into the evaluation of the two new buildings they determined one level of underground parking may be possible under the two new buildings which would permit a later decision on the new parking building.
  • 145 and 95 lost between student buildings and the new parking garage.
  • Parking garage:  It can house 375 parking spaces – would be the tallest building on campus.  Would result in 857 spaces on campus (after taking parking displacement from the build-out into consideration) – a net gain of 135 spaces.
  • Under ground parking.  220 spaces in the underground garage, resulting in 797 spaces on campus (after taking parking displacement from the build-out into consideration) – a net gain of 75 spaces (so 60 spaces less than with the parking garage option).
  • PCC’s count is that they have 722 spaces currently.  Last count was a demand of 1069.  Rebecca indicates the City is not necessarily asking them to meet that total.
  • They are looking at supplemental parking as well – at least for during the build-out where parking will be most substantially displaced.  Possibilities are the meat packing plant lot, Temple Church, the Telegraph exchange vacant lot –could pave some lots there for surface parking.  Also looking at the possibility of joint use in some areas.  Trying to get additional 85 spots within surface lots through leases with third parties.
  • Isa pointed out that with the proposed education building there is state money attached to it that has a deadline – so there is a deadline to make a decision.  There are some efficiencies in being able to do the underground parking in conjunction with building the new education building.
  • What is the difference in the price tag for these two options?  $12.8 million for the parking garage.  $11.6 for the underground option.
  • They know they need to pursue much more aggressive transportation demand management.  Isa mentioned covered bike parking.
  • Will there be any street-level retail in the parking garage?  People are frightened of the huge building – but that’s a big important section of our street.  The red level in the parking garage would be for retail – it’s a city code requirement.  They’ve had some consulting done on that.  College is committing to provide that retail space.  There’s a commitment to trying to make it work as commercial retain but if they cannot find tenants and make it work then the college will use it.
  • Glaring lights from the parking lots now are tough on residents.  Brian doesn’t feel comfortable turning these additional vacant lots into parking.  He wonders if they’ve talked to the transportation managers about those lots being triggers in the tier system – rather than just jumping right in and creating new lots.  Would like to see the existing lots be shared/used rather than creating additional lots.  Lots aren’t attended at night and attract a bad element.
  • Percentage managed by TDM?  Need to verify that.
  • About 10% of people who come to campus come by bike.  Need to increase covered parking to support that.  There is a bike rental idea in the works – to rent per term.  So the campus is motivated.  Lockers not being considered due to crime concerns.  Maybe a bike center at some point.
  • What are the biggest arguments against the underground parking? Members asked why the neighborhood would want a parking garage erected.  Clarification from Gretchen on how we got to the point where we were considering the parking garage at all.  Historically not enough parking – and we did not see TDM or City’s ideals of using public transportation work historically – and we wanted to address the issue once and for all.
  • Brian is more comfortable this time around because there is a designated person watching the traffic situation and sending an annual report on what’s working and what’s not working.  The TDM management has much more promise this time than it ever has before.
  • Has it ever been looked at that we get permitted parking for the neighborhood – yes we have and there are concerns about enforcement by the city.
  • PCC did look at dropping another parking floor underground in the parking garage – but a cost of $18M plus to do that.
  • Isa says it’s rare that she is troubled by parking issues – and they have five cars in front of their house.  Brian indicates he has to park blocks away from his house and there are traffic issues and safety issues as a result of the students looking for parking.    Vancouver is also starting to be impacted.
  • Adam indicates building underground seems like it is a pretty good idea if possible.  He doesn’t view parking as major issue – and his neighbors really don’t either.  He’s at Emerson and Albina.  Feels we have it good so far.  Major benefit of a community college is that it’s convenient – if you discourage driving you take away a lot of the benefit of the institution.  Primary mission is to provide education – so he would vote for the underground parking option.  He wouldn’t go pecking around the neighborhood looking for 65 spots – and that’s not a lot of spots.
  • There will be about 145 spaces displaced during construction – that they’d need to move or find space for.  Church at Temple – maybe 35 spaces there.
  • Mike:  Traffic flow:  What are the implications – backlogs of people getting on Killingsworth and trying to get into the garage.  Where is the entrance and how do people get in and out.  There was also a day care center planned in the academic building and how does that impact traffic?  And not just from the Killingsworth side.  So how will that be managed?  ¾ of traffic comes off Killingsworth.  The intersection is lit currently – possible they will need a left turn lane – working with the city transportation folks.   Not sure the intersection is wide enough for a left had turn lane.
  • Going outside the IMP for new parking lots on empty lots presents some concerns for Biran.
  • General comment on joint use from Clifford:  Community residents use of campus facilities.  Is there a special arrangement?  No – community members pay.  College can’t afford to allow free use.  Worth re-visiting the issue.  Craft centers, gymnasium space, etc. – we’re impacted and yet we don’t have the benefit of any of the facilities.
  • Overall attendees support the underground parking garage option notwithstanding the fact that it represents fewer overall parking spaces than the above-ground garage option.
  • How do we stay involved in the process with respect to TDM?    There is a website.  PCC can keep coming to our meetings – there is also the bond advisory committee.
  • And what opportunity is there for the neighborhood to be involved in the design of the campus build-out?  Maybe the bond advisory committee will continue and take on that role.  We’d like more neighborhood members on that committee.

XI.    Cyclists and Tri-Met Issues.

Paul advised there is a bicycle greenway going in on Michigan.  Will carry an enormous volume of bicyclists – they’ve done the same thing on Concord and it carries a mass of cyclists.  Also bicycling improvements on Williams.  The thing that isn’t real good is Tri-met.  Peak times of day the busses and Max are both full and Tri-Met isn’t so far willing to discuss the possibility of adding any more buses, and we’re going to need more.

XII.     Classes at the library – how to use e-books, and so on.  Take a pink flyer.

XIII.    Brian – The Skanner has applied to install solar awnings on its building and will be seeking approval (located in the Piedmont Conservation District).

  1. XIV.       Jefferson frontage project.

This is finally getting pushed through.  Portland public schools finally approved as did the library.  Probably progress this next coming summer.

  1. XV.    Crosswalk enforcement.
  • Tomorrow – on Killingsworth – crosswalk enforcement.  To see if people stop and see if the person is six feet out of the lane before vehicles proceed.  They will be ticketing pedestrians and bicyclists who don’t follow the rules as well.
  • Also assessing how transportation on Killingsworth and around the college works – PBOT is doing it doing finals week when there aren’t as manby people on the campus.



  1. XVI.       Meeting location.

Tonight is our last time I this space.  Salvation Army building is probably preferable to June Key building due to location (more central).  Brandon Kyle offered us a space – seems perfectly adequate – in the Chapel building (the larger of the two buildings, with the peaked roof).  There will be information going out about that.  We will definitely meeting there in January.

XVII.     NECN Announcements (Katy Asher)

-1/7 Saturday evening kickoff for Solarize Northeast

-Celebrate your passage of your bylaws – upside down cake to celebrate.

-Williams Avenue Safety Improvements  (no update)

-NECN Business Development Committee  (no update)

-Enrollment balancing process is commencing – Monday at6:30 at NECN is an upcoming meeting on this.

  1. XVIII.       EMSWCD Training Sessions.

East Multnomah Soil and Water Conservation District would like us to sponsor a training.  Emily researched – the woman who asked about it a couple of months ago would like us to sponsor by telling neighbors and friends, etc.   It’s in the newsletter.   She didn’t send any dates – or topics.  All in attendance were agreeable to putting our name on as a sponsor.



About Isa Dean

With a passion for assisting others with refining and achieving their goals, accepting the Program Coordinator position with the Multnomah County Library became the perfect bridge career - from working 10 years in web design and web development to becoming an ever more involved, contributing member of our community.

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